Here's a back and forth between a friend and fellow fan after last night's demoralizing loss to Phoenix. We pretty much both hit the panic buttons, just in different directions:
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You know, that's really the thing about Melo is it's not like he's that fun to watch. He isn't Wade or LeBron or something you know what I mean. It's not like he's this high flyer. Like he gets the ball and it's jab step, jab step, ball fake ball fake, pull up for mid range jumper, and then sometimes drive to the basket and lay it in. But it's not that fun to watch.
The guy at postingandtoasting.com called it his 15 second jab step ballets which I thought was kind of funny.
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:55:34 -0800
From: piddingtoned
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: skishii; chris.groppa
I totally get what you're saying. We had a good thing going last year. The worst part was losing Ray Felton. Do other people think he's awesome, or is super underrated? And I thought we had a shot to get him back this season. What happened there?
And your Russo statement is hilarious. I never thought I would see the day when you would have a sick athlete on your team who would make you want The Big Fundamental.
--- On Thu, 1/19/12, Brian DiMenna wrote:
From: Brian DiMenna
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: piddingtoned "Scott Ishii" , chris.groppa
Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 12:38 AM
Yeah, fair enough, I just find Melo's turning me into like Chris Russo or something. I just can't stand him.
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:14:54 -0800
From: piddingtoned
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: skishii; chris.groppa
Not trying to besmirch Timmy. Just pointing out that I don't really believe you would take Tim Duncan today over Carmelo.
--- On Thu, 1/19/12, Brian DiMenna wrote:
From: Brian DiMenna
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: piddingtoned "Scott Ishii" , chris.groppa
Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 12:02 AM
Yeah so he's old, his team'll probably win 50 games a year until he's 75.
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:46:43 -0800
From: piddingtoned
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: skishii; chris.groppa bdimenna
I'm going to be nice and pretend I didn't just see you write that you'd rather have Tim Duncan. And Kevin Love is just a marginally better David Lee.
And I think he's a great coach when he has a bunch of freakish athletes trackmeeting up and down the court with the best point guard I've ever seen. (not counting Magic cause i was too young.) Yes, in that situation I think his system works.
By the way Duncan's stats:
12.4
6.9
46%
1.1 blk
--- On Wed, 1/18/12, Brian DiMenna wrote:
From: Brian DiMenna
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: piddingtoned, "Scott Ishii" , chris.groppa
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 11:35 PM
Yeah, I guess that's a fair list. I think I'd still rather have Duncan. I'd probably rather have Blake Griffin at this point and maybe even Kevin Love. And I think Deron Williams is the better overall player. Is Westbrook better at this point? I may be being unfair, I know.
But seriously, so D'Antoni just can't coach at all. Like not at all. How'd he win all those games in Phoenix? Steve Nash is just basketball Jesus? I mean, some of those Phoenix teams weren't even that good.
I don't know, maybe they just need more time. I just find I want to punch Melo in the face. Like get out of here, we were finally having fun until you showed up. And take off those stupid rib pads.
Also, Denver's 10-5.
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:01:31 -0800
From: piddingtoned
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: skishii; chris.groppa bdimenna
But this isn't a straight up Melo v D'antoni argument. I agree the team hasn't played well since he got here, but the overall reason is really shitty point guard play. And that's where I blame D'antoni the most. You're telling me he can't turn Shumpert or TD at least into a decent ball distributor? I mean that's all they need to be on this team. For Christ's sake give me Kevin Ollie 8 years ago and this team would be better.
And top 20? Come on, he's top 10. Name more than 9 players better than he is. And if you don't stop after these then we have a problem (not necessarily in this order):
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Derrick Rose
Dirk Nowitzki
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
--- On Wed, 1/18/12, Brian DiMenna wrote:
From: Brian DiMenna
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: piddingtoned, "Scott Ishii" , chris.groppa
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 10:43 PM
You know, I'm not gonna defend D'Antoni, because I don't like his system either, and if we chuck up one more three pointer early in a shot clock I'm going to stab someone (though I will say he's probably had more success in the NBA than Melo).
But seriously, can you name one Knick that's actually played better since Melo arrived? Doesn't it just seem like everyone is worse? And there's no chance he's one of the best 7 players in the league. Top 20 most likely, but that's really it.
I mean, maybe I'm just emotional, I'm so sick of watching this team play like shit, and his jersey will be in the rafters someday, but right now he feels like a disaster.
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:28:06 -0800
From: piddingtoned
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: skishii chris.groppa bdimenna
Look, on the face of it yeah that actually sounds like not too bad of a deal. Could make a lot of sense. Couple things that I'm not sure about though. First, I hate to keep making this about D'antoni, but I think he is without a doubt the biggest negative about the Knicks at this moment. I don't want to give him a player, an elite point guard, who is going to make him double down on his ridiculous system of basketball. If he sinks us even further into run and gun no defense basketball I'm not sure I can take it.
Second, regarding D'antoni again, I don't want another significant change to this lineup which just extends his period of "well these guys are just getting to know each other. Give us some time and we'll gel into a cohesive unit". No dude, you just suck. We could give you as long as we gave Isiah and at the end of it, when you leave in disgrace, you're still going to be sitting there with your retarded mustache and your awww shucks attitude, getting swept out of the first round.
And last, 'Melo isn't just any wing scorer. He's one of the top 7 players in basketball. It's not like he's just Andre Iguodala or something. I'm not totally ready to give up on him.
Not saying the trade wouldn't or doesn't make sense. Just saying until we get rid of the Mustache I don't think it matters who's on this team. The bastard child of Mike Martz and Norv Turner can only take you so far.
--- On Wed, 1/18/12, Brian DiMenna wrote:
From: Brian DiMenna
Subject: RE: Uh, so Knicks?
To: piddingtoned, "Scott Ishii" , chris.groppa
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 2:14 PM
What do we think of this in the Chad Ford chat? Personally, I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Can you imagine though after all that hullabaloo with the trade last year if we turned around and dealt him again within a year.
Knicks offense is offensive. Trade Melo to Nets for DWill. Makes sense for both. Nets get star under longterm contract (DWill is going to walk because they are not getting D12) and Knicks get elite PG which is their greatest need. Wing scoring they can find elsewhere. PG and C are hardest positions to fill. Thoughts?
Chad Ford (1:06 PM)
I'm not sure a move like that is totally out of the question for either team. If Nets don't get Dwight Howard, trading D Will is a real possibility and the Knicks love him. Adding Melo would give them a (tarnished) star name to build around that's already locked up to a long-term deal.
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